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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2015.09.24 05:59:31 -
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Just curious if you have a good reason this time, last time you were going to re-release the Gold Magnate was through Somer Blink and you guys made the (in my opinion) right decision and backed out of it.
I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks.
CCP promised not to release any more of these, just like with Adrestia / Mimir / Cambion etc
I lost the original Gold Magnate back in 2004 and have owned several other uniques but I don't have any right now so it's not a financial issue for me.
Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
http://eve.klaki.net/screens/2004.04.19.16.47pretty.jpg here's a pictoor I took of the gold back when I was going around foolishly solo pvping in it
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/644619418199265282 |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:02:53 -
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They're re-releasing the old ships, just changing the numbers around. |
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:06:47 -
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I don't know how many they're releasing , one is too many as far as I'm concerned.
https://twitter.com/EvePodcasts/status/645324972752281600
Fozzie talked about there being a wrong way and a right way to re-release uniques in this podcast, this tournament being the "right way" .
Personally I'd say there is no right way once your company has announced there will never be more of a ship-type released and people buy and sell trusting that they're not lying. |
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:39:02 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ? |
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:00:17 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source.
Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing.
Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number.
They released a fifth impoc, only to immediately realize they messed up and take it back.
Memory may be funny but them having promised never to release more was the reason that BIG Lottery impoc didn't stay in the game.
So basically they broke their promise once, CCP Oveur fixed the mistake. (Doesn't work there anymore.)
Tried to again through Somer Blink in mindbogglingly stupid fashion, changed their minds due to community response.
Now trying to again out of what appears to be sheer lazyness. |
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:21:57 -
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Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ? |
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:58:41 -
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"f there's any time to release them again"
There isn't.
I'd estimate 10 silvers remaining , but could be fewer I guess depending on how many Somer had when banned etc
and Reiisha it was 1 bil not 500 mil |
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Posted - 2015.09.25 02:29:50 -
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Yeah was 100% never to be released again at the time, and devs said so both on forums (no I don't have a link) and in person.
If that wasn't the case they wouldn't have taken back the BIG Lottery imperial issue apocalypse when some devs made a mistake and ignorantly gave it out.
Too bad CCP Oveur quit a long time ago, he would've prevented this kind of thing. :( |
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:52:20 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Lore wise the Magnate is supposed to be some pinnacle of Amarrian artistic expression and luxury so that is why another hull is probably not chosen as a reward.
I like to collect too and don't understand all the whinging over a tiny handful of ships but possibly there is time for an art dev to do two new hulls in gemstone colors or other rich materials instead of metallics to appease the 1% ?
Ruby, Sapphire, and Amethyst are all traditional imperial colors after all. (Crimson, Blue, and Purple)
or Ivory and Jet? (with gold/silver hightlights)
It isn't really constructive to just complain without suggesting alternatives.
That said one might guess an artist already spent time on the new Gold and Silver versions and probably proud of their work and wanting to show it off.
These complaints are really selfish as far as that goes IMO.
I don't see anything selfish about wanting CCP to honor their promises, especially considering I don't own any uniques.
If they wasted art time on it that's their very easily avoided mistake, and as you say it's supposed to be a work of art, if you give out a painting as a prize maybe it should actually be an original instead of a copy ? Giving the exact same artwork out twice cheapens both. |
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:01:03 -
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John WarpingSlow wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim. You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2015.09.25 22:30:48 -
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I don't know it for sure and I would be happy to be wrong.
All they've said is "We're re-issuing the Gold and Silver Magnates" re-issue sounds like the same thing to me, rebalanced or not. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2015.09.26 23:37:06 -
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You must be mistaking me for someone who cares about what's thematically reasonable when it comes to broken promises.
also for someone who cares how long you've played (?)
anwyays I seriously doubt I'll have my way
PS; I'm sure you would think it was a big deal if your silver magnate dropped from 800 bil to 40 bil worth, but as i said before I don't own any uniques nor do I think ISK is a particularly important factor, most of the current owners are probably so rich it doesn't have any real effect |
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Posted - 2015.09.27 14:52:07 -
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It's still the same company , guarantees made by devs back then still bind them as far as I'm concerned, 12 years not 10 btw :) |
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Posted - 2015.09.28 01:46:24 -
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There's a podcast with Fozzie and Guard talking about it , not just a tweet. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2015.09.28 13:57:33 -
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TinkerHell wrote: There are 6 silver magnates i know about now. Which is being increasing to 98. Thats over 16 times as many of this 'rare' ship being added to the game.
's actually 20 more silvers 4 more golds |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2015.09.28 14:20:04 -
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it's not even a good prize
last time it was 3 silver 1 gold 4 impocs for winning team, 4 silvers + imparma per losing team
but hey might as well make the prizes crappy when you're already violating your guarantees, being lazy and unoriginal
( somehow I doubt this is what Seagull had in mind ) |
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